BleedinSkull: I guess this colt is the forgotten one, he only has 2 R34 pictures, that's weird because even original characters could have much more R34 from a long distance.
Anonymous1: Paheal, wjy dont you make a separate furry site for rule 34 and move all this shit there? i mean you have a cosplay and rule 63 site.....much better for us not furry normal people
Faptacular: @Rat: How rude, you could at least say ponyfucker.
Besides your logic is flawed. Are MLP characters animals with human minds, yes. Is that a basis for what furries like, yes. Anyone who is honest about it will admit that freely.
However calling all bronies furries implies they all are an active part of the furry community, which certainly isn't true. A good deal of bronies have no interest in it whatsoever. And vice-versa.
To use a ridiculous analogy it's like walking up to someone who has a pet parrot and saying, "Hey you like birds huh? That must mean you love animals, here take these ocelots off my hands!"
Rat: @Faptacular: "calling all bronies furries implies they all are an active part of the furry community"
nope
"A good deal of bronies have no interest in it whatsoever."
MLP is part of the furry community, so yeah they do, literally every single one of them do, no exceptions.
"And vice-versa."
That's because like I already said not all furries are bronies, they like OTHER parts of the furry community, seeing as there are a lot more parts to it that just the MLP part.
"To use a ridiculous analogy it's like walking up to someone who has a pet parrot and saying, "Hey you like birds huh? That must mean you love animals, here take these ocelots off my hands!""
No, it's like saying "You like My Little Pony, huh? Here, take Ditsy Doo off my hands!"
PinkBallons: @Rat: We have our own websites and often make art exclusively of ponies. Most of us don't even like furries, partly because of people like you who simple-mindedly group us together. The vast majority of bronies don't go to furry conventions, speak the furry lingo, or go yiffing. There are cloppers who aren't even attracted to anthro animals other than the FiM ponies, and others that only like the fully humanized versions. Yes, most of the fan art bronies create could be considered "furry," but that does not automatically make us part of their community. The brony fandom overlaps with the furry fandom, but is not consumed by it.
Lapp: @PinkBallons: How I see it, the interests are similar but the communities they belong to aren't. It's understandable that someone who can't relate sees them as the same; in the same light, I could say Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all extremely similar, but Muslims aren't Christians aren't Jews, and many would take offense if I called them or their religions the same.
(I'm agreeing with Pink, if that's hard to tell. xD)
anomalous: That's exaclty what I'm doing though, PinkBallons. I consider the brony fandom an offshoot of the overall Furry Fandom, just like the Sonic fandom or the Porkyman fandom. I mean, why not? I honestly don't get why some bronies try to distance themselves from the furry fandom so much. There are plenty of furries that don't do the fursuiting, lingo, and other community bullshit but still consider themselves furries and there are furries that think the MLP fandom is stupid. But what it comes down to is that both parties share an interest in non-human, furry animals.
PinkBallons: @anomalous: Yes, but that's like calling ponies horses. Technically it's correct, but why would you use that term when a more accurate one is available?
CrotchboobAddict: I would seriously rather be called anything but furry like PB said.. There's no way you need to be a furry if you're brony. Brony is just about MLP and nothing else, get it? Not that I'm really serious about this brony thing either, it's just for fun sometimes
PinkBallons: @Anonymous: Everyone is a freak in some way or another. Normalcy is a lie that the self-involved cling to.
@Anonymous: Whether something is truthful or not depends entirely upon whose standpoint it is being judged from. Unless you give some actual proof to back up your claims, something that hasn't been stated and refuted already, how about you save us all some time and not comment?
Anonymous6(2): @PinkBallons: Yes, because it's so difficult to figure out deformed cartoonish horses running around doing dumbshit somehow isn't furry. How long is it going to take for you people to figure this out?
PinkBallons: @Anonymous: As I've already stated, it IS furry. What's being debated here is whether or not that is grounds for calling us furries over bronies. Try figuring out what a discussion is about before jumping in and blurting out insults at anyone who disagrees with you.
Anonymous7(2): @PinkBallons: Dont know, I think being called a furry would be an upgrade for the fanbase, and brony is basically the worse thing on the internet right now.
Anonymous8: I don't think furries got that better reputation than bronies, I mean, they've been the laughing-stock of the internet for years.. this anon sounds like a butthurt furfag.
Lapp: Anon8, the guy's all sorts of genius. Unless he shares identical writing conventions with people of the same pointless opinion, he's done this same thing on a handful of threads by now. So I'm with you, he's butthurt for one reason or another.
Rat: Saying you're a brony but not a furry is like saying you're a human but not a mammal.
Just because you are a specific mammal rather than all or several types at once doesn't mean you're not a mammal at all.
Just because you are a specific furry rather than all or several types at once doesn't mean you're not a furry at all.
Bronies are furries, regardless of how My Little Pony-exclusive they are.
Anonymous9: @Rat: Bronies are just queers and dykes with an agenda my friend. They wanna ram this liberal 'equality and tolerance' bullshit down our throats. Regardless what they are, they're just plain stupid and delusional.
Lapp: @PinkBallons: I can empathize with you now, Pink. It's like arguing with alzheimer's patients; no matter how sound an argument you present or how many times you refute their own argument, they keep coming back with the same opinion thinking they're getting somewhere. :<
meow-meow: @Anonymous:
i agree. kindof
all i would like to add is that even though bronies should be considered furries, they really are the most different part. why should they be considered furries? well do you see those sonic fans over the internet making anything look like sonic characters, do a lot of stupid OCs and try to lock their minds inside the sonic universe for example? if you shouldnt, they shouldnt be called furries either.
why are bronies the most different part? because they are annoying people intentionally or not, they worship a mediocre show aimed for underaged children who dont fully understand emotions, friendship, love and other things yet. most of the furries i have seen are at least somewhat productive, creative, and intelligent. they are also experienced in a lot of things bronies are proud of even knowing about. they were hated by most of the people since about they existed. bronies dont even have to experience most of it since they are almost already the majority without any exaggeration, so they find themselves "superior" thinking if there are so many of them nothing about them can be wrong at all, and try to drag a lot of other people into their flock like some kind of brainwashed zombie horde trying to turn humanity into the likes of them.
and of course they think they are the different ones, who are hated and understand more than normal people, they are like the hipster, underground ones or whatever. but in fact they are completely mainstream now, more than anything, and is just fueled more by the media by which they were made too.
so, well. i dont want to say any more i guess. i dont want to sound hateful or something. i dont hate all bronies, and i dont like all furries. im not a furry but bronies really are not like them, and doesnt mean they are better.
cya everyone =o
Lapp: @anomalous: No; as I've said, the interests are similar but largely, the fanbases aren't. Too many bronies are the kind of people who would never otherwise become furries or have anything to do with the furry fandom. This doesn't make one better than the other. Rather, it's just the point that the people populating the fanbases don't have enough in common to speculate anything outside the fact that we both like fuzzy animals. Hell, it's not even for the same reasons in most cases.
You said you considered bronies an off-shoot of furries, but I don't get how. The first bronies weren't furries, and there is no apparent correlation between being a furry and being a brony. Sure, there's furries that became bronies and bronies that became furries, but I can't see how that means anything. It's not a mass-exodus from the furry fandom, but rather as slow a trickle as any other source of people. :\
I'd be glad to hear your opinion if I got something you said or intended wrong, but that's how I read and understood that.
Rat: @Lapp: Are you a complete idiot? Bronies ARE furries, they didn't become furries in some separate process at a later state, it's the same fucking process you furry equine fuck!
Talking to bronies who deny the fact that they are furries is like talking to a bowl overflowing with with ass mucus.
anomalous: @Lapp: No, you're fine. We just have different opinions on how we define the furry fandom. I consider the furry fandom to be a catch-all term that includes any characters that are not human. So if it's a reptile, a squid, a Porkyman, a pony, an insect, a human-animal hybrid, or inanimate object (like a plane) or whatever else, it falls under my definition of being within the Furry Fandom.
It's not a great or completely logical classification system, but it's the one I adhere to.
PinkBallons: @Rat: You are aware that bronies≠cloppers, correct?
So you're saying that all furries became furries by watching My Little Pony? The more you know!
You do realize that for more than 20+ years the MLP porn or even furry artwork was considered a part and was associated with the furry fandom, dont you?
2)Drooling over fictional anthropomorfic animals is not the strongest thing that bronies and furries have in common. The dtrongest thing these two fandoms is the attention seeking.
Both of those fandoms have tons of it in their grounds.
PinkBallons: @Rat: You just said it again. By saying that all bronies are furries, you're implying that the 12 year old girls watching the show are sexually attracted to the characters in the show. Are you trolling or just slow?
Anonymous14: @deathstriker: Yes, that's why you have to separate the fandoms. I mean, furries have always been interested in anthropomorphic animals and shows and made porn of it - It's a part of their fandom. So it's no wonder that some furries like MLP:FiM.
With bronies.. They just watched MLP:FiM and became fans of the show because they think it's great, most of us have never been interested in the furry fandom or something like that. So even if both fandoms have something in common it doesn't mean that every brony is a furry. A furry can be brony though.
Rat: @PinkBallons: Lots of furries aren't interested in the sexual part of the fandom, tons of them even hate it and are very public about their hate, making blogs and journals and stuff about how it "degrades the fandom as a whole" and shit like that. I, of course, in return spam their shit with yiffy pics.
deathstriker: @Anonymous:
Do you know what the term "furry" means? Or have you seen Rat's posts? they deal with that, Meow-Meow also made a great point about it.
What about Sonic Fandom?
Porkyman Fandom?
MR fandom?
And so forth. You get the picture.
Lapp: @deathstriker: Maybe, but I maintain Anon14's point that it's nonsense to call the older-gen MLP's the domain of bronies. So, no, bronies are originally more the (man)children of /b/ and /co/ than furries, whatever furries did with the rest of MLP had absolutely no part in the process. :\
PinkBallons: @Rat: If you choose to put us in the same category as furries, then fine, but we are bronies. I'm not saying that we can't be considered furries due to how general the term is, I'm simply saying we call ourselves bronies, as we differ from them in that we are fans of MLP and they aren't. Surely you can accept that?
Anonymous16: @deathstriker: Well, think about it, you can't really compare the MLP: FiM fandom to other fandoms like the furries, Sonic, pokemons etc.
Why? Because MLP: FiM quickly earned acceptance on the internet and in the real world by mostly normal people (and some freaks) which has never happened before, while the furry fandom, Porkyman fandom and other known shitty fandoms always been seen as faggots, nerds, sexual deviants, man-children and generally fuck-ups. So, bronies suddenly show up like the new cool kid on the block and gets all the love and attention.. which makes all the other nerds on the internet butthurt and they get very, very upset.
Anonymous18(2): @Anonymous: More brony delusional logic, if anything bronies are the fuckups sexual deviants, and man-children they identify with small horses designed for little girls, I don't see how far away from normal you can get.
Faptacular: Geez, make a comment, forget about it for a couple days...
...Right, silly me I sometimes forget that not all people can debate a point without becoming insulting. Let alone have the ability to maturely concede a point when someone raises one that may differ from theirs regardless of weather they agree or not. I also seem to have forgotten how much of a troll Rat generally is.
I stated my opinion, that regardless of the furry qualities of the show (which I fully admit are there) I don’t identify with the furry philosophy as it has been repeatedly rammed down my throat over the years. Thus I don’t consider myself a furry though in the spirit of honest discourse I admit I do occasionally enjoy furry art. However I also understand that most furries are not[/I] in the vocal minority that contains the douchebags who go on an on about how they are being “fursecuted” for their interests all the while making themselves as annoying as possible in the process. So I disassociate myself with [i]anyone with an all-or-nothing mentality for their fandom.
If anyone still considers me a furry after explaining my point of view on the matter, well that’s their problem, not mine.
While I freely admit to being a clopper I don’t even consider myself a brony because I’m not really active in that community either. I enjoy the hell out of the show for what it is, I’ve bought some merch to support it, I read a few pony comic tumblrs. That’s generally as far as it goes.
The most interaction I have with other fans is here, and that’s pretty much how I want to keep it. There’s a core group of people here (and you all know who you are) that I enjoy speaking with/debating and occasionally completely disagreeing with but in the end we generally keep it civil and I can say I look forward to their input whenever I log on.
Anonymous22: @The_Elder_Troll: Damn, you have a really good shitstorm-detector. Should have listened to you from the beginning to avoid this retarded thread...
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furry =/= brony
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They are similar yes, but not the same.
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furries don't have to be bronies though seeing as they can like other furry stuff that isn't my little pony
these are facts, deal with them
fucking horsefuckers
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Besides your logic is flawed. Are MLP characters animals with human minds, yes. Is that a basis for what furries like, yes. Anyone who is honest about it will admit that freely.
However calling all bronies furries implies they all are an active part of the furry community, which certainly isn't true. A good deal of bronies have no interest in it whatsoever. And vice-versa.
To use a ridiculous analogy it's like walking up to someone who has a pet parrot and saying, "Hey you like birds huh? That must mean you love animals, here take these ocelots off my hands!"
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nope
"A good deal of bronies have no interest in it whatsoever."
MLP is part of the furry community, so yeah they do, literally every single one of them do, no exceptions.
"And vice-versa."
That's because like I already said not all furries are bronies, they like OTHER parts of the furry community, seeing as there are a lot more parts to it that just the MLP part.
"To use a ridiculous analogy it's like walking up to someone who has a pet parrot and saying, "Hey you like birds huh? That must mean you love animals, here take these ocelots off my hands!""
No, it's like saying "You like My Little Pony, huh? Here, take Ditsy Doo off my hands!"
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(I'm agreeing with Pink, if that's hard to tell. xD)
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@Anonymous: Whether something is truthful or not depends entirely upon whose standpoint it is being judged from. Unless you give some actual proof to back up your claims, something that hasn't been stated and refuted already, how about you save us all some time and not comment?
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Just because you are a specific mammal rather than all or several types at once doesn't mean you're not a mammal at all.
Just because you are a specific furry rather than all or several types at once doesn't mean you're not a furry at all.
Bronies are furries, regardless of how My Little Pony-exclusive they are.
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i agree. kindof
all i would like to add is that even though bronies should be considered furries, they really are the most different part. why should they be considered furries? well do you see those sonic fans over the internet making anything look like sonic characters, do a lot of stupid OCs and try to lock their minds inside the sonic universe for example? if you shouldnt, they shouldnt be called furries either.
why are bronies the most different part? because they are annoying people intentionally or not, they worship a mediocre show aimed for underaged children who dont fully understand emotions, friendship, love and other things yet. most of the furries i have seen are at least somewhat productive, creative, and intelligent. they are also experienced in a lot of things bronies are proud of even knowing about. they were hated by most of the people since about they existed. bronies dont even have to experience most of it since they are almost already the majority without any exaggeration, so they find themselves "superior" thinking if there are so many of them nothing about them can be wrong at all, and try to drag a lot of other people into their flock like some kind of brainwashed zombie horde trying to turn humanity into the likes of them.
and of course they think they are the different ones, who are hated and understand more than normal people, they are like the hipster, underground ones or whatever. but in fact they are completely mainstream now, more than anything, and is just fueled more by the media by which they were made too.
so, well. i dont want to say any more i guess. i dont want to sound hateful or something. i dont hate all bronies, and i dont like all furries. im not a furry but bronies really are not like them, and doesnt mean they are better.
cya everyone =o
You said you considered bronies an off-shoot of furries, but I don't get how. The first bronies weren't furries, and there is no apparent correlation between being a furry and being a brony. Sure, there's furries that became bronies and bronies that became furries, but I can't see how that means anything. It's not a mass-exodus from the furry fandom, but rather as slow a trickle as any other source of people. :\
I'd be glad to hear your opinion if I got something you said or intended wrong, but that's how I read and understood that.
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Talking to bronies who deny the fact that they are furries is like talking to a bowl overflowing with with ass mucus.
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It's not a great or completely logical classification system, but it's the one I adhere to.
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So you're saying that all furries became furries by watching My Little Pony? The more you know!
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I wanna say two things though.
1) To @Lapp:
You do realize that for more than 20+ years the MLP porn or even furry artwork was considered a part and was associated with the furry fandom, dont you?
2)Drooling over fictional anthropomorfic animals is not the strongest thing that bronies and furries have in common. The dtrongest thing these two fandoms is the attention seeking.
Both of those fandoms have tons of it in their grounds.
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With bronies.. They just watched MLP:FiM and became fans of the show because they think it's great, most of us have never been interested in the furry fandom or something like that. So even if both fandoms have something in common it doesn't mean that every brony is a furry. A furry can be brony though.
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Do you know what the term "furry" means? Or have you seen Rat's posts? they deal with that, Meow-Meow also made a great point about it.
What about Sonic Fandom?
Porkyman Fandom?
MR fandom?
And so forth. You get the picture.
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Thank you Cheerilee, once again you have taught us all a valuable lesson.
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Why? Because MLP: FiM quickly earned acceptance on the internet and in the real world by mostly normal people (and some freaks) which has never happened before, while the furry fandom, Porkyman fandom and other known shitty fandoms always been seen as faggots, nerds, sexual deviants, man-children and generally fuck-ups. So, bronies suddenly show up like the new cool kid on the block and gets all the love and attention.. which makes all the other nerds on the internet butthurt and they get very, very upset.
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...Right, silly me I sometimes forget that not all people can debate a point without becoming insulting. Let alone have the ability to maturely concede a point when someone raises one that may differ from theirs regardless of weather they agree or not. I also seem to have forgotten how much of a troll Rat generally is.
I stated my opinion, that regardless of the furry qualities of the show (which I fully admit are there) I don’t identify with the furry philosophy as it has been repeatedly rammed down my throat over the years. Thus I don’t consider myself a furry though in the spirit of honest discourse I admit I do occasionally enjoy furry art. However I also understand that most furries are not[/I] in the vocal minority that contains the douchebags who go on an on about how they are being “fursecuted” for their interests all the while making themselves as annoying as possible in the process. So I disassociate myself with [i]anyone with an all-or-nothing mentality for their fandom.
If anyone still considers me a furry after explaining my point of view on the matter, well that’s their problem, not mine.
While I freely admit to being a clopper I don’t even consider myself a brony because I’m not really active in that community either. I enjoy the hell out of the show for what it is, I’ve bought some merch to support it, I read a few pony comic tumblrs. That’s generally as far as it goes.
The most interaction I have with other fans is here, and that’s pretty much how I want to keep it. There’s a core group of people here (and you all know who you are) that I enjoy speaking with/debating and occasionally completely disagreeing with but in the end we generally keep it civil and I can say I look forward to their input whenever I log on.
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