Anonymous3(2): @Danielakiiki: Well when you ask MegaSweet for art and get it, and this being that art, well then I will take what you say seriously. You have to have more forethought then that, James Hairspray was the original name for High Style. And since this was my art request that Mega did, seems like it should be tagged as such, don't you think?
Danielakiiki: @James_Hairspray: We don't tag OCs here, only canon characters. http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_ponies/Earth_ponies 'James_Hairspry' doesn't appear on the list, but High_Style does. So if this is truely your OC in the pic then the proper tags are Friendship_is_magic MegaSweet My_Little_Pony Powder_Rouge.
Anonymous4(2): @Danielakiiki:
http://www.reddit.com/r/listofponies/comments/pd1ty/
Where the name voting is happening, if you look at order of submitted names, James Hairspray, Hairspray, and Alex are all older then High Styles, and in fact was the fan name of the pony for all of season one, and as of now Hairspray and High Style are equal in vote number. Also if you bothered to, you would know that the gender of this pony was originally unlisted and was called Androgynous just like Quake, and a few others. It was only after the switch to the name High Styles about half way through season two that the gender was listed as mare. So, James Hairspray was the original name, your move.
Anonymous5(2): @Danielakiiki: Also on another note, if you are such a crusader of accurate tags, how come Colgate is still a tag for the pony Minuette. That is a hasbro offical name verse a fan name, so doesn't that seem like the first thing you should do on your noble crusade, also, for proof http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Minuette
Franky_Whiskey: ^@James_Hairspray: Look James, you have a problem with the way the tags are laid out, you go and talk to an admin about it, preferably by IRC. You don't go crusading for changing tags the way you like them, the tags are to be kept per the house's rules (the site in this case).
Keep changing tags recklessly and you will be banned for quite some time from here. The tags are to keep stuff in order, not to suit your yiffery OC needs. Understood?
Anonymous6(2): @Franky_Whiskey: I don't wish to sound condescending, but based off of rule 18 of this site then, the tags of this image should read, Friendship_is_magic MegaSweet and My_Little_Pony seeing as HairSpray, Powder_Rouge, high_style are all fan names, and not official names. Which also forces me to bring up the Colgate tag as well then, that tag is 100% incorrect seeing as Hasbro has given an official name to that pony, and that name is Minuette.
Also Franky, this image was a fanart gift to me, so I am not trying to alter the tags to suit my needs, I'm standing by the intention of MegaSweet when he made the art. So what say you to that?
Franky_Whiskey: @James_Hairspray: Perfect then. All I want here is to preserve order. I'll suggest you talk about this with the admins before you change anything.
The system keeps things in order and avoids unnecessary confusion. Consider that before you change anything, and that's what say I to that.
Anonymous7(2): @Franky_Whiskey: And I can respect that, I just ask a bit of consistence in the system. Right now, this site contains a lot of fannames for MLP characters, such as Futashy, Colgate, Daisy, High Style, Powder Rouge and so on. Based off of rule 18, which says, Do not post images with fan characters (eg. Becky The Hedgehog) only. If they are paired with real characters, that's okay. In either case, do not tag the names of the fan characters. Now some of these are real characters, seeing as both characters in this image are real, and were in the show. However they have no canon name, only fan names. So under rule 18, which in its ending line says, do not tag the names of fan characters, it means don't tag anything but canon names. So either that has to be revised to allow fanon names, or to exclude all fanon names. But as the rule reads right now, it wants no non-conon fan content. That includes the names. So this image, once more should only have three tags.
This makes me bring up the Colgate example once more, that is a fanname for a character with an official name, as is Roseluck, and yet those are both on here as tags yet. So consistence with the rules and unnecessary confusion means having to retag all Colgate (The pony) images with Minutte, her official name. Same goes for changing Roseluck to just Rose.
Seeing as on the MLP wiki this character has two valid names, both having six votes, Hairspray, and High Style, but those are both fan-names, so it doesn't matter and neither one should be included on this site. The thing about fan-names is they change with time, or with popularity, so it is foolish to try and accommodate them, unless the accommodation changes with the name. However seeing as referring back to that rule once more, rule 18 is the closest thing to covering this sort of situation, we are forced to interpret it as bast as we can. That being said, the best tags for this image would exclude fan-names and instead have a tag that was either background_character, or Photo_Finish's_Aides. On the other hand if the tag system does include fan names, it needs to have either the most prominent, the name the artist was using, or both.
This image under the idea of using the most prominent would use either the MLP Wiki, or the MLP Fan Labor wiki, giving it two tags, both of witch have six votes, those names being High_Style, and Hairspray for one and Powder_Rouge for the other. If using the method of the names the artist used, it would be James_Hairspray and Sindy_Rouge. If both, well that just is five tags for two ponies, so the system because incredibly ineffective.
So in conclusion, a consensus must be reached in how to determine if fan-names should be used. If fan-names are determined to be used, that means, it will require new guidelines to be laid down to pick what names would be used, and the consistency of how they would be used. Lastly, on the note of fan-names, in the sake of clarity and in conjunction with this site's rules, Colgate, Roseluck, Vinyl_Scratch, Futashy, and a few other fan-name tags will have to be replaced and replaced with the official names given to those ponies.
Does this at all make sense to you? I can elaborate more on it, seeing as we both want the same thing, and that is to preserve order in the tags, and remove unnecessary confusion. Though my goal has one more tenet that I will admit a small amount of bias in, to preserve the intent of MegaSweet since he was kind enough to gift this art to my tumblr.
Franky_Whiskey: First of all, Futashy is not an official tag, it redirects to Fluttershy. That was your first mistake. Second, fan names are only chosen if they are very, very popular, to the point it's almost a second name, so as to make the browsing experience easier. Characters who do not have a canon name are chosen one depending on the ruling of the administrators and the popularity of the name.
Also, a fan character cannot be named at all. That's definite, no matter what the artist says. Now, I checked that fancy MLP wiki you said. It listed those characters just like the current tags, Powder_Rouge, high_style. There's no room for no "james" then, and that goes. Period. Only administrators can decide whether a tag is official or not
Third, I hate My Little Pony, and I hate all of you fancy-ass furries riding on your white horses while wearing the mantle of "Brony". But I'm here to preserve the order on this site, nothing more. And this includes pony pictures. So I'll say it again, don't vandalize the tags.
So if your questions weren't fully satisfied, please head on to an administrator and discuss the matter, and let me fap to pictures of Callie Briggs.
Danielakiiki: @James_Hairspray: These are not fan character like 'Becky the Hedgehog', these characters actually appear in the show. Acting an assumption, the staff here allows for fanon names attached to these canon characters to allow for people to FIND the pics of them (as apposed to searching through 9000 plus MLP:FIM images). As for the staff here, they 100% decide the rules/tags/ect. What they decide here is what goes HERE. You quote rule 18, which specifies fan characters/OCs. They are not allowed here (BTW thanks for PMing me the link to the pic here that was your OC, helped me get it deleted). and if, and I mean IF, this was a gift art by MS to you, featuring your OC, why the FUCK did MS describe this pics as being 'Chicks (plural) with dicks (plural)'? You've stated that 'Hairspray' was one of the choices for the name of this character. True, it was. High Style won out. Deal with it. But I do notice that you never said that JAMES Hairspray was one of the options (which since this is a female character is logical).
So, for your sake in case that was tl;dr 1) The staff runs this site 2) they made a decision 3) They decided against you and 4) If you don't like it, to quote Bill Crosby "Have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up." K thnx bai.
jubilation_t_cornpone: This is confusing as fuck. So would aliasing James_Hairspray to High_Style solve the problem? That way no one can possibly set that tag.
Danielakiiki: @Jubilation, either that or alias to not_a_tag. That character is female, not male. And I sent you a PM concerning the artist's description of the image to remove doubt. Sorry to have to bother you with this tonight.
Anonymous8(2): @Franky_Whiskey: First off, forgive my naivete in the redirection of the tags. I've only ever been on this site one other time, and am only here once more because my fan art ended up here. So forgive that ignorance on that matter.
And I apologize for the misinformation on the wiki, seeing as it updates in real time, and a cached version of it could obscure results. (I also assume you just went to the wiki page, and not the voting page, but that is of no matter.) I would also like you to know in the future the rule of double negative to avoid a later show of misfortune, 'There's no room for no "james"', would correctly be because of this rule 'There is room for "James".' So be wary of that in the future.
Also, MLP is just another bracket of furry porn, just like Callie Briggs of the SWAT Kats. They are two sides of the same coin if you are willing to forgive the expression, so I have to wonder why you would hate one, but fap to the other, I won't question your personal preference on this, because hey, personal preferences are called such for a reason.
Lastly, some of my questions are not fully satisfied, but I must remark that you were a great help, and thank you for the time you spent here debating this with me. I can tell I have incurred some of your wraith and for that I offer you my apology, I know that isn't much of a reward, but I do hope it is enough to help you relax a bit.
Though, I will remark that it is odd for proper nouns not to be capitalized. However if you do bother to read this far, I would just like to say thank you once more, you helped me better understand the unwritten rules and community standards around here in regards to tags. Once more thank you very much, you have my apology once more, and my gratitude for the time you invested in this matter.
jubilation_t_cornpone: @Danielakiiki: The problem with not_a_tag is that then somebody has to remove it. We have a new method called un-tag. If we put a tag in that list (as we have done with disney, capcom, and other forbidden tags) you can't enter it at all. You get redirected to the tagging guide without the tag list even being updated.
RustyBust2: @Danielakiiki: Correction, the site prefers characters that have a Wiki article. "Canon" is an iffy term. And try to learn how to make web links properly. You've done it wrong so often, Danny-boy, it just looks silly.
Seems like I should just link this here.
http://www.reddit.com/r/listofponies/comments/pd1ty/
Where the name voting is happening, if you look at order of submitted names, James Hairspray, Hairspray, and Alex are all older then High Styles, and in fact was the fan name of the pony for all of season one, and as of now Hairspray and High Style are equal in vote number. Also if you bothered to, you would know that the gender of this pony was originally unlisted and was called Androgynous just like Quake, and a few others. It was only after the switch to the name High Styles about half way through season two that the gender was listed as mare. So, James Hairspray was the original name, your move.
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Keep changing tags recklessly and you will be banned for quite some time from here. The tags are to keep stuff in order, not to suit your yiffery OC needs. Understood?
Also Franky, this image was a fanart gift to me, so I am not trying to alter the tags to suit my needs, I'm standing by the intention of MegaSweet when he made the art. So what say you to that?
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The system keeps things in order and avoids unnecessary confusion. Consider that before you change anything, and that's what say I to that.
This makes me bring up the Colgate example once more, that is a fanname for a character with an official name, as is Roseluck, and yet those are both on here as tags yet. So consistence with the rules and unnecessary confusion means having to retag all Colgate (The pony) images with Minutte, her official name. Same goes for changing Roseluck to just Rose.
Seeing as on the MLP wiki this character has two valid names, both having six votes, Hairspray, and High Style, but those are both fan-names, so it doesn't matter and neither one should be included on this site. The thing about fan-names is they change with time, or with popularity, so it is foolish to try and accommodate them, unless the accommodation changes with the name. However seeing as referring back to that rule once more, rule 18 is the closest thing to covering this sort of situation, we are forced to interpret it as bast as we can. That being said, the best tags for this image would exclude fan-names and instead have a tag that was either background_character, or Photo_Finish's_Aides. On the other hand if the tag system does include fan names, it needs to have either the most prominent, the name the artist was using, or both.
This image under the idea of using the most prominent would use either the MLP Wiki, or the MLP Fan Labor wiki, giving it two tags, both of witch have six votes, those names being High_Style, and Hairspray for one and Powder_Rouge for the other. If using the method of the names the artist used, it would be James_Hairspray and Sindy_Rouge. If both, well that just is five tags for two ponies, so the system because incredibly ineffective.
So in conclusion, a consensus must be reached in how to determine if fan-names should be used. If fan-names are determined to be used, that means, it will require new guidelines to be laid down to pick what names would be used, and the consistency of how they would be used. Lastly, on the note of fan-names, in the sake of clarity and in conjunction with this site's rules, Colgate, Roseluck, Vinyl_Scratch, Futashy, and a few other fan-name tags will have to be replaced and replaced with the official names given to those ponies.
Does this at all make sense to you? I can elaborate more on it, seeing as we both want the same thing, and that is to preserve order in the tags, and remove unnecessary confusion. Though my goal has one more tenet that I will admit a small amount of bias in, to preserve the intent of MegaSweet since he was kind enough to gift this art to my tumblr.
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Also, a fan character cannot be named at all. That's definite, no matter what the artist says. Now, I checked that fancy MLP wiki you said. It listed those characters just like the current tags, Powder_Rouge, high_style. There's no room for no "james" then, and that goes. Period. Only administrators can decide whether a tag is official or not
Third, I hate My Little Pony, and I hate all of you fancy-ass furries riding on your white horses while wearing the mantle of "Brony". But I'm here to preserve the order on this site, nothing more. And this includes pony pictures. So I'll say it again, don't vandalize the tags.
So if your questions weren't fully satisfied, please head on to an administrator and discuss the matter, and let me fap to pictures of Callie Briggs.
So, for your sake in case that was tl;dr 1) The staff runs this site 2) they made a decision 3) They decided against you and 4) If you don't like it, to quote Bill Crosby "Have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up." K thnx bai.
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And I apologize for the misinformation on the wiki, seeing as it updates in real time, and a cached version of it could obscure results. (I also assume you just went to the wiki page, and not the voting page, but that is of no matter.) I would also like you to know in the future the rule of double negative to avoid a later show of misfortune, 'There's no room for no "james"', would correctly be because of this rule 'There is room for "James".' So be wary of that in the future.
Also, MLP is just another bracket of furry porn, just like Callie Briggs of the SWAT Kats. They are two sides of the same coin if you are willing to forgive the expression, so I have to wonder why you would hate one, but fap to the other, I won't question your personal preference on this, because hey, personal preferences are called such for a reason.
Lastly, some of my questions are not fully satisfied, but I must remark that you were a great help, and thank you for the time you spent here debating this with me. I can tell I have incurred some of your wraith and for that I offer you my apology, I know that isn't much of a reward, but I do hope it is enough to help you relax a bit.
Though, I will remark that it is odd for proper nouns not to be capitalized. However if you do bother to read this far, I would just like to say thank you once more, you helped me better understand the unwritten rules and community standards around here in regards to tags. Once more thank you very much, you have my apology once more, and my gratitude for the time you invested in this matter.
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Love and Kisses, the R34 Police.
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