PlagueDoctor0299: Well.....I mean.....to be fair, Jacque and Willow did have three children. And for that to happen, I imagine there must have been some kind of intimacy. Let's remember, Willow didn't become an alcoholic until Jacque snapped at her on Weiss's 10th birthday party. And while the show tries hard to make Jacque the stereotypical "evil wall street guy" the result of Willow being this broken-down drunk that neglected her children was completely her doing. Honestly, I think this image would be the other way around, that Willow just misses the intimacy she felt (or at least thought) she had with Jacque. She became a depressed, neglectful mess because Jacque just couldn't bear giving his dick to someone who was just unbearable to be with. Let's not forget, he was the one who raised the children and ran Willow's company. His children hate him, but he still gave them everything they have. And despite his questionable business methods, he brought prosperity to a company that isn't really his to begin with. Honestly, I think if the character could ever be redeemed, it wouldn't take much to get Willow to forgive him and take him back. Just a meaningful hug, a passionate kiss, tell her he loves her, and she'll give Jacque another chance.
Anyway, the porn art is lovely, but I can't help but think it's happening BECAUSE Whitley reminds her of Jacque. I do apologize if this was all inconvenient, the porn art is still very much hot.
Anonymous1: Nah Jacque was probably a douche from the beginning. He probably charmed Willow and acted kind and sweet until he got on her Father's good side and was named the new head of the company and once he got that and a son (I get the feeling Atlas is one of those places where its hard for Women to be taken seriously in business. Not that its completely I know Winter and several other Woman are in high positions) like that just certain individuals he probably dropped the act and started showing his true colors.
PlagueDoctor0299: @Anonymous: Not likely, cause do remember, this is RWBY we're talking about. You can say that women are oppressed in Atlas, but have there been any examples of that? Has there been any point in the series in which women are not treated equally, or with any doubt toward their capabilities as warriors, leaders, etc? And do remember, Willow is the direct heir to the Schnee family name. If anything, if she only got her act together, she could take her business back from Jacque. Cause as Weiss pointed out, he only married into the name. But he's not keeping her from essentially taking back her inheritance. No, the responsibility falls on Willow and her own weakness.
Think of it this way, if Jacque is such a douche, why doesn't she just divorce him? Why not just get rid of him? He's not the one with the Schnee bloodline, Willow is, and that means she's the one that passed down the abilities that Winter and Weiss inherited. She has the power, and she has her birthright. Not to mention, two out of her three children have pretty much taken her side in Jacque being just a nobody that married into the family name. Willow literally has all the power, and from how everyone else treats Jacque, all the support to her claims.
In the end, what this comes down to is either her being a character who is weak or just terrible writing. Winter and Weiss are strong and capable, and they're both women in high and respected positions. Weiss is a huntress, and Winter is literally Ironwood's second in command. Them being women has nothing to do with anything. As for Jacque, he could have been a douche for as long as you say he has. But Willow still had three of his children, meaning he put up the act for a long time. That or his superficial attraction to Willow faded over time. Yeah, the family name was certainly attractive, but he still laid with Willow. Meaning he must have felt something toward her for a period of time. The way I see it, he had this ideal image of her, and what they could do with the company. But when she turned out to be none of those things, he finally just snapped. And do remember, Weiss said he had snapped, meaning the two must have had some tension before things got to how they became. So you can call Jacque a douche, but Willow may not have been any better in this regard. Cause, in the end, Jacque was the one who brought the company to prosperity. And Jacque was the one who raised his daughters to be strong and played a more active role in their lives. Meanwhile, Willow just fell into alcoholism, and neglected her children, as Weiss confirmed to Yang. Jacque is a douche, but he was also the stronger parent, and strong for the company. Something Willow neither seems to be nor seems to care about. And the reason I think the two haven't split up, Jacque knows he'll lose the company and his children, and Willow still loves him to some capacity. It's either that, or she knows she's a mess, and that her children and company would be worse off without Jacque.
One last thing to point out that gender has nothing to do with this. Jacque was going to make Weiss heir to the company since Winter joined the military. But after Weiss's defiance, and refusal to listen to him, and do what he thought was best for the company, he decided Whitley would become the heir. It's not like Weiss didn't deserve the disciplinary slap to the face after causing a scene, and essentially calling him a parasite who married into the family name. Plus, now Weiss is a huntress, a profession in which would conflict with running a company. That's two different responsibilities, with one more than likely to cause death than the other.
Anonymous2: Well like I said Jacque probably sucked up to Willow's father and basically owns everything so even if Willow divorced him he would still retain all the power and she would probably get nothing. This is a different world so don't assume divorce would work like it does in real life. Plus she had 3 children to worry about and she does truly love them and needed to make sure they were provided for even if she had to be miserable to do it.
Oh and pretty sure Jacque didn't raise his kids he would have pawned it off on the servants specifically Kline as Weiss was so fond of him
PlagueDoctor0299: @Anonymous: It doesn't matter if he sucked up or not, he still somehow managed to have three children with Willow. Meaning that for a while, both might have loved each other. You don't bear the children of the man you hate three times. And you don't impregnate the woman you loathe three times with your children.
As for real life, a man has to pay a woman if she cohabitates with him for a certain period of time. A man could lose his inherited home, something that's been in his family for generations, to his spouse if they're married. If a man has had children with said spouse, then the children are typically given to the mother, even if the father may be the better parent. On top of that, the man would have to pay child support. It's only just recent years where the courts have begun to equally distribute who get's what in divorce. And even still, courts tend to favor the ex-wife. If divorce worked anything like our own reality, Jacque would be on his ass somewhere in Mantle, eating out of the garbage, while Willow takes back her kids and business. The fact that they aren't tells us two things. That divorce certainly is not like our own in reality. And the other, that neither has tried to divorce one another. Cause if ghe could, wouldn't you think Jacque would just cut what is essentially dead weight to him? If Jacque is indeed such a douchebag, you don't think he would file for divorce, and fight tooth and nail to usurp the business from Willow? He certainly could make the case in his favor, he brought the business to prosperity, and took care of the children, playing an active role in their lives. Willow may have inherited the company, but she's done nothing to make it prosper, and has become a drunk that neglected all her children. Jacque could make his case easy if their courts worked anything like our own.
This could mean two things for that world the show takes place in. 1.) Divorce does not exist. 2.) It works like I say, and that Jacque would lose everything if he tried to separate from Willow. The company is her birthright, and her children are under her name. Plus, none seem to actually like their father, so Jacque is guaranteed to lose everything.
The only other reasons I think these two haven't divorced each other 3.) The two still love each other to some capacity, hence why neither has tried for divorce. It's a fucked up and toxic relationship, but both stay with each other regardless. 4.) Willow was always weak, and her father knew that. In Jacque, he found someone strong enough to keep the business going. Jacque wasn't a warrior, he doesn't have a semblance. And to someone who was both capable of running a business and fighting monsters, Jacque isn't that impressive a suitor. So he must have shown that he was capable of something he saw his own daughter lacked. Jacque likely didn't really need to suck up all that much. Cause Willow's father thought he was doing what was best for his daughter in pairing her with Jacque. Or that Willow would be strong enough to handle herself and Jacque in the marriage. Obviously, neither were the case.
As for Kline, I think the servant was the nurture aspect to that whole relationship. Jacque was the tough and strict father, but until volume 4, he was going to make Weiss heir to the company. Jacque is a parent, he has every right to be disappointed and angry at his child for the disregard and disrespect his own daughter showed him. Again, Willow was absent, so Jacque had to take care of both the children and the company, and thought he could do both in mixing the two. Obviously, he lost sight of his children and focused on the company. But still, even from the early volumes, Weiss only ever talked about her father. Like him or not, he was the one that played a more active role in her life. Do remember, Weiss was just like him in the early volumes, hence why she was referred to as Ice queen. It's not until she met her team that she had begun to change. So while Kline did help raise her and her siblings, I think that means he was kind and nurturing. He filled the role Jacque couldn't be running a business, and the role Willow was absent for.
PlagueDoctor0299: @Anonymous: Yeah I know, and if you ask me, it's a real waste of a character. One, who by the way, didn't get as much screentime as he could or would have for those last two seasons in ATLAS. Seriously, if he lived, the character growth and dynamics would have been sure to follow. Rooster Teeth had nowhere else to go but up with the character, considering that everything the Schnee's owned went up in flames. Maybe they had a way to retain their wealth, but as far as we know, they're on even footing with the common people. Hell, they're even in the same danger, and such circumstances would have definitely caused Jacque to change. Too bad Rooster Teeth deemed his character arc complete without ever really giving him more character than "ruthless greedy business man, and abusive father and husband." Kind of a waste of his character if you ask me.
Anyway, the porn art is lovely, but I can't help but think it's happening BECAUSE Whitley reminds her of Jacque. I do apologize if this was all inconvenient, the porn art is still very much hot.
Think of it this way, if Jacque is such a douche, why doesn't she just divorce him? Why not just get rid of him? He's not the one with the Schnee bloodline, Willow is, and that means she's the one that passed down the abilities that Winter and Weiss inherited. She has the power, and she has her birthright. Not to mention, two out of her three children have pretty much taken her side in Jacque being just a nobody that married into the family name. Willow literally has all the power, and from how everyone else treats Jacque, all the support to her claims.
In the end, what this comes down to is either her being a character who is weak or just terrible writing. Winter and Weiss are strong and capable, and they're both women in high and respected positions. Weiss is a huntress, and Winter is literally Ironwood's second in command. Them being women has nothing to do with anything. As for Jacque, he could have been a douche for as long as you say he has. But Willow still had three of his children, meaning he put up the act for a long time. That or his superficial attraction to Willow faded over time. Yeah, the family name was certainly attractive, but he still laid with Willow. Meaning he must have felt something toward her for a period of time. The way I see it, he had this ideal image of her, and what they could do with the company. But when she turned out to be none of those things, he finally just snapped. And do remember, Weiss said he had snapped, meaning the two must have had some tension before things got to how they became. So you can call Jacque a douche, but Willow may not have been any better in this regard. Cause, in the end, Jacque was the one who brought the company to prosperity. And Jacque was the one who raised his daughters to be strong and played a more active role in their lives. Meanwhile, Willow just fell into alcoholism, and neglected her children, as Weiss confirmed to Yang. Jacque is a douche, but he was also the stronger parent, and strong for the company. Something Willow neither seems to be nor seems to care about. And the reason I think the two haven't split up, Jacque knows he'll lose the company and his children, and Willow still loves him to some capacity. It's either that, or she knows she's a mess, and that her children and company would be worse off without Jacque.
One last thing to point out that gender has nothing to do with this. Jacque was going to make Weiss heir to the company since Winter joined the military. But after Weiss's defiance, and refusal to listen to him, and do what he thought was best for the company, he decided Whitley would become the heir. It's not like Weiss didn't deserve the disciplinary slap to the face after causing a scene, and essentially calling him a parasite who married into the family name. Plus, now Weiss is a huntress, a profession in which would conflict with running a company. That's two different responsibilities, with one more than likely to cause death than the other.
Oh and pretty sure Jacque didn't raise his kids he would have pawned it off on the servants specifically Kline as Weiss was so fond of him
As for real life, a man has to pay a woman if she cohabitates with him for a certain period of time. A man could lose his inherited home, something that's been in his family for generations, to his spouse if they're married. If a man has had children with said spouse, then the children are typically given to the mother, even if the father may be the better parent. On top of that, the man would have to pay child support. It's only just recent years where the courts have begun to equally distribute who get's what in divorce. And even still, courts tend to favor the ex-wife. If divorce worked anything like our own reality, Jacque would be on his ass somewhere in Mantle, eating out of the garbage, while Willow takes back her kids and business. The fact that they aren't tells us two things. That divorce certainly is not like our own in reality. And the other, that neither has tried to divorce one another. Cause if ghe could, wouldn't you think Jacque would just cut what is essentially dead weight to him? If Jacque is indeed such a douchebag, you don't think he would file for divorce, and fight tooth and nail to usurp the business from Willow? He certainly could make the case in his favor, he brought the business to prosperity, and took care of the children, playing an active role in their lives. Willow may have inherited the company, but she's done nothing to make it prosper, and has become a drunk that neglected all her children. Jacque could make his case easy if their courts worked anything like our own.
This could mean two things for that world the show takes place in. 1.) Divorce does not exist. 2.) It works like I say, and that Jacque would lose everything if he tried to separate from Willow. The company is her birthright, and her children are under her name. Plus, none seem to actually like their father, so Jacque is guaranteed to lose everything.
The only other reasons I think these two haven't divorced each other 3.) The two still love each other to some capacity, hence why neither has tried for divorce. It's a fucked up and toxic relationship, but both stay with each other regardless. 4.) Willow was always weak, and her father knew that. In Jacque, he found someone strong enough to keep the business going. Jacque wasn't a warrior, he doesn't have a semblance. And to someone who was both capable of running a business and fighting monsters, Jacque isn't that impressive a suitor. So he must have shown that he was capable of something he saw his own daughter lacked. Jacque likely didn't really need to suck up all that much. Cause Willow's father thought he was doing what was best for his daughter in pairing her with Jacque. Or that Willow would be strong enough to handle herself and Jacque in the marriage. Obviously, neither were the case.
As for Kline, I think the servant was the nurture aspect to that whole relationship. Jacque was the tough and strict father, but until volume 4, he was going to make Weiss heir to the company. Jacque is a parent, he has every right to be disappointed and angry at his child for the disregard and disrespect his own daughter showed him. Again, Willow was absent, so Jacque had to take care of both the children and the company, and thought he could do both in mixing the two. Obviously, he lost sight of his children and focused on the company. But still, even from the early volumes, Weiss only ever talked about her father. Like him or not, he was the one that played a more active role in her life. Do remember, Weiss was just like him in the early volumes, hence why she was referred to as Ice queen. It's not until she met her team that she had begun to change. So while Kline did help raise her and her siblings, I think that means he was kind and nurturing. He filled the role Jacque couldn't be running a business, and the role Willow was absent for.