Just for reference if not for the stupid-ass camouflage-coat shit (and maybe if there had been some RGP armor laying on the ground) I'd have had no problem with this.
Faptacular: @Anonymous: What I mean is if he had been a regular Royal gurad (Basically the Anons of Equestria) this would have avoided the facepalming of someone's self-insert fantasy.
Faptacular: @Anonymous: Let's see...
01: Yes
02: No.
03: No.
04: No. (Edgy CMs are all-round Gary-Stu fail)
05: No. (Same as above.)
06: No. (^)
07: Eh... not really. I've actually got this head canon that the RGPs actually have as varied coat tones as the citizenry and the uniforms are enchanted to change them to a standard color while on-duty to promote visual solidarity. (For Canterlot RGPs anyway The Crystal Empire Guards fuck up this concept.)
08: Aged-up Pip would have no complaint at all as he is canon.
09: (^)
10: Not only no, buck fuck no!
11: (^)
12: Any canon character wouldn't need armor since we'd know who they are.
As for the last it's really a matter of principle. OCXCanon porn annoys me so even if I think the art is decent the content annoys me and it get's an automatic down-vote. I don't even hate OC porn. I have a whole folder of what I consider decent OCs, thing is they're either paired with other OCs or solo.
Anonymous3: @Faptacular: Not the first time this OC appears. Someone tried editing out those stupid patches the last time, and what do you know, it worked in improving it immensely.
But nooooo, gotta have that special snowflakeness in the self-insert. Though this case is honestly tame compared to the shit that's out there.
Anonymous4(1): @Faptacular: Ah I get it. So for you, typical representations of a clearly OC x canon relationship gets the thumbs down everytime.
But if the OC is generic enough that they could pass off as a member of some large group (Canterlot RGP, Wonderbolts trainee, etc), you'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
What about atypical OC x canon ships, like Button Mash and his mom? Do you make an exception if the OC is female, or is it more dependent on whether the OC is deriving more pleasure/being more dominant? What's your stance on these? Assume that in these depictions, the artist has clearly drawn the character getting penetrated/flogged as passive (powerless), and any pleasure he/she gets was not intended by the dom. The dom is always getting pleasure (physical and/or mental).
1. Button Mash penetrating his mom
2. Button Mash getting penetrated by his mom (strap-on)
3. Button Mash getting penetrated by his mom (futa-cock)
4. Button Mash getting flogged by his mom
5. Button Mash flogging his mom
6. OC with inoffensive color scheme getting anally violated by canon characters.
7. Same as 6 but it ends badly for OC (guro)
8. Same as 7 but OC has shitty color/CM.
And now we do get into the gray areas of quasi/even outright hypocrisy. For the sake of debate I am willing to proceed.
Button's Mom is in fact a personal favorite. Part of this is from the fact that she has a very good down to earth design and was very well written in Button's Adventures. Honestly it is very hard for me not to think of her as a canon pony as she fits all the criteria for a good BG character.
In the interest of full-disclosure I even admit to having uploaded a few Button/Button's Mom pics, breaking my own guidelines.
And here's where the waters get muddied. Button's Mom as far as I can tell was never intended to be someone's ponysona. She was created to fill a role in a narrative and became popular as a result.
Mostly OC rage comes from what at first glance appears to be fantasy fulfillment by an artist/commissioner. To me gender of said type of OC is irrelevant, just as the gender of the creator is irrelevant. It still sends the same message: MY special snowflake is fucking [insert favorite character here] and I don't give two shits that said character may be someone else's favorite too so long as MY fantasy is being met. To give it an over-simplified analogy think of it as an Internet equivalent of a breach of "The Bro Code" and then rubbing the entire fandom's face in it by posting it instead of keeping said fantasy to oneself.
Now:
01: Yes.
02: YES!
03: Fuck yes!
04: No.
05: Still no.
06: No based on specific "violated" rather than consenting. However an over-all no back to the original point of OCXCanon just being generally annoying regardless of dominance.
07-08: Fuck no on both counts. As much as I hate OCXCanon I hate character abuse even more and guro turns my stomach regardless.
Anonymous5(1): @Faptacular: Thank you for your frankness. OC hate has been a topic I've been trying to understand for awhile now.
For No. 6-8 of the second questionaire, it's interesting that even if the OC was violated, you still cared for its welfare, despite objecting the pairing outright on principle.
Hopefully the last topic: What about canon ponies with crappy designs? IIRC, King Sombra and Babs Seed's designs were not well-received by the fanbase initially but in Babs' case, it seems to have mellowed out. That said, there are also background ponies with garish designs. So...
1. Prominent canon character with unconventional design (ex. Babs Seed, Trenderhoof) with other canon. Yay or nay?
2. Referring to No. 1, does personality of the character influence your approval?
3. Background canon character with unconventional design (Example) with other canon?
Thanks for your previous responses. I await your next one.
Hierolocc: I'll proffer a slightly different viewpoint.
The obnoxiousness of the OC is a topic that would require perhaps hours of verbal discourse, such being perhaps inappropriate for here and now.
To the question of bad canon designs, there is definitely a personal distaste for a great number of them, but it does not evoke the same vehement response as a poorly designed OC. They're bad, even terrible at points, but generally serve a purpose in the story, however minor or silly. An OC is complete intrusion, with no real rhyme or reason to it. Most often with no regard for established rules of the universe or personalities of the characters.
But, bad design is only part of the issue, yes. Attitude bleeds through as bright as day with most OC pics, and usually those are extremely poorly received. Smug grins are equally ubiquitous and infuriating as red and black color schemes, and can turn an otherwise milquetoast 5edgy charcoal and crimson thing into a smug, self important douchepiston that offends my sensibilities far more than amateurish physiology.
For odd as it may be, among most other things, apart from enjoying their sensual potential, us fans maintain a certain amount of respect to the characters and universe. While this does not keep us from enjoying and at times contributing the the vast stores of porn of them, it generally obliges us to not cross certain lines.
An OC rapes one of the mane six, with a wide grin and no visible remorseful attributes. I am angered because rape offends my personal sensibilities, because the OC shows no empathy. I am angered because this act I find particularly distasteful is being committed by a thing which does not belong in that universe. The artist, or commissioner, as it more often happens to be, is not satisfied with defiling creatures of his own imagination, he must metastasize his cancerous fantasy into another's work. The rape of his own characters is not satisfying, he must satisfy his own ego alongside his sexual decrepitude; to have his thinly veiled avatar in domination of an established character, one that someone else created and fleshed out-a character in almost all ways, creatively and practically, is superior to his own-thus gives him and his abomination a sense of accomplishment. If his character can rape others' with no repercussions, well aint that just the biggest old power fantasy? Thus it goes.
A commissioner pays to have a number of images created with his OC exclusively with one or two characters. Within these, intimations or outright dialogue presents the OC and canon character as committed lovers, perhaps even married. This angers me because the warped codes of honor I follow regarding such things frown at attempting to claim any such character as mine and mine alone. It is basic courtesy, in the minds of myself and others, to not lay claims of ownership to those that many others particularly like. Waifus abound in this fandom, but would-be husbandos are even more prolific. We all have the basic fantasies, but understand that there are many others, and keep those largely to ourselves. In such fashion, all can have their personal fantasy, and yet none hold to any pretense of formal relationships. When an OC makes such a claim, his creator explicitly defies such courtesies, and in selfish petulance, would try to make himself the sole lover in a corporeal and visible manner. As Faptacular himself stated, it shows not only the all too common lack of respect for the character itself, but also for the fellow ponyfags that are his contemporary. A truly noxious form of arrogance.
Therefore, it is the Way the Wrath and the Wonder that I would and have gleefully imagined and depicted the mutilation and eradication of such "Original Characters" as to sufficiently rouse my ire. This begs a question of hypocrisy, that I would not honor the rights of the creator and do as I please with his mewling bastardizations. To which I only place in my own defense, such acts of raeg and bloody retribution are purely reactionary. I did not seek them out out of the blue and write four thousand words of their character's graphic disembowelment, they made a string of actions that lead to a simple reaction. By which point, I add, through utter disrespect and poor character on the part of the OC and its maker, the OC is rendered invalid as a receptor of the respect of others, and thus will have nonesuch from me.
I hardly proclaim my own innocence, I dare not. This persona you know me by is flawed, heavily-heartily-as per nature's course. I simply do what do. The same may well be said of the OC makers and their tripe, but I do make personal note that what ills I commit, you may well wager that they will have taken the first punch.
Faptacular: @Anonymous: Canon cartoon Sombra is and will ever remain a eye-twitching annoyance for me. He hit every trigger that screams bad OC in both design and backstory. The comic's AU Sombra on the other hand hit every criteria for a good OC and I had no issue with him and Celestia being officially shipped.
I never really gave Babs' design much thought as I was more focused on a trope I don't like with her: The bully get's a tragic backstory and now I'm supposed to forgive what a douche they've been to characters I'm very fond and feel protective of. While I still don't like that kind of writing my ire for that has also mellowed with her second appearance.
Now as for the questions:
01-02: I think I feel almost more neutral to this and go on a case by case basis. For the most part I think in-show shipping is a terribad idea as it can destroy meta fantasies and should be avoided by the writers at all costs so (being a Rarity-is-Mai-Waifu fag) Tenderhoof was highly annoying in-show for the oxymoronic combo of how she was fangriling over him (and the way she was doing so was so OoC it was painful) but also in that he had no interest in her. And I'm fully aware intellectually of how stupid that is. In 34 or even a well-written fanfic on the other hand I'm willing to let it slide for the most part. But even in canon Trenderhoof wasn't a douche, just irritating. Characters like Prince Blueblood though have just as high a rage factor as a self-insert. So I'd say it really comes down to presentation in the end.
03: That guy so reminds me of Harpo Marx. Anyway in a one-shot picture the reaction would most likely be: Well that was random. and I wouldn't think anymore of it. At least as long as he wasn't portrayed like many OCs end up with the smug-ass grins that are triggers for many of us.
Way back I remember people claiming that we were operating under a "If I can't have them no one can" mentality. This was almost ridiculously easy to shoot down as we never complained on pictures where a character was being fucked by either another canon character (so long as we didn't object to the specific character based on personality) or by something anonymous enough to not set off the Mary-sue triggers. In most cases those would be random humans, tentacles, or ponies that you couldn't see any real detail, either not fully drawn or the distinguishing features are carefully kept off-screen.
It's free art of ponies fucking. Unless the OC is literally painful to look at from a design perspective, I don't give two wet shits. I might not particularly care for the art or the subject even but so long as the OC looks like it can vaguely fit into the universe, I am fine with whatever because it's free art of pony-fucking.
Anonymous6: Anon 1 all he has to do is ask for a couple sips of my friends shine cuze when he makes he makes close to pure alcohol I'm preaty shure its 190 proof so that makes it 95% alcohol and 5% water. I garentee since it's his first time he will be shitfaced after 2 shots.
Anonymous7(6): Anon 1 all he has to do is ask for a couple sips of my friends shine cuze when he makes he makes close to pure alcohol I'm preaty shure its 190 proof so that makes it 95% alcohol and 5% water. I garentee since it's his first time he will be shitfaced after 2 shots.lol
Anonymous8(6): Anon 1 all he has to do is ask for a couple sips of my friends shine cuze when he makes he makes close to pure alcohol I'm preaty shure its 190 proof so that makes it 95% alcohol and 5% water. I garentee since it's his first time he will be shitfaced after 2 shots. And I have acidently drank to much and i forgot like half the night so i caution don't drink to much no matter how good it tastes.
Anonymous9(6): Anonymous 1 all he has to do is ask for a couple sips of my friends shine cuze when he makes he makes close to pure alcohol I'm preaty shure its 190 proof so that makes it 95% alcohol and 5% water. I garentee since it's his first time he will be shitfaced after 2 shots. And I have acidently drank to much and i forgot like half the night so i caution don't drink to much no matter how good it tastes.
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Just for reference if not for the stupid-ass camouflage-coat shit (and maybe if there had been some RGP armor laying on the ground) I'd have had no problem with this.
Also, shame on you. That pony suffers from vitiligo. Getting undressed was a very hard thing for him to do because of his self-consciousness.
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So would you approve if the stallion...
1. Looked identical to RGP but no armor present?
2. Looked similar to RGP, had armor present, but coat is patterned, like the OC above?
3. Looked like RGP, no armor, but edgy CM?
4. Same as No. 3 but with armor?
5. Had a strange coat color for RGP (like pale green), plausible CM, and no armor present?
6. Same as No. 5 but with armor.
7. Looked identical to RGP but armor is mismatched (ex. Night Guard Pony shown, armor belongs to day guard)?
8. Is aged-up Pipsqueak (with coat patterns intact)?
9. Same as No. 8 but with armor.
10. Resembles Pipsqueak in pattern but clearly is non-canon?
11. Same as 10 but with armor?
12. Is non-RGP canon character but with armor present?
OR
"IDGAF. I know what I like, even if the types of stallions I approve of are inconsistent at times."
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01: Yes
02: No.
03: No.
04: No. (Edgy CMs are all-round Gary-Stu fail)
05: No. (Same as above.)
06: No. (^)
07: Eh... not really. I've actually got this head canon that the RGPs actually have as varied coat tones as the citizenry and the uniforms are enchanted to change them to a standard color while on-duty to promote visual solidarity. (For Canterlot RGPs anyway The Crystal Empire Guards fuck up this concept.)
08: Aged-up Pip would have no complaint at all as he is canon.
09: (^)
10: Not only no, buck fuck no!
11: (^)
12: Any canon character wouldn't need armor since we'd know who they are.
As for the last it's really a matter of principle. OCXCanon porn annoys me so even if I think the art is decent the content annoys me and it get's an automatic down-vote. I don't even hate OC porn. I have a whole folder of what I consider decent OCs, thing is they're either paired with other OCs or solo.
But nooooo, gotta have that special snowflakeness in the self-insert. Though this case is honestly tame compared to the shit that's out there.
But if the OC is generic enough that they could pass off as a member of some large group (Canterlot RGP, Wonderbolts trainee, etc), you'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
What about atypical OC x canon ships, like Button Mash and his mom? Do you make an exception if the OC is female, or is it more dependent on whether the OC is deriving more pleasure/being more dominant? What's your stance on these? Assume that in these depictions, the artist has clearly drawn the character getting penetrated/flogged as passive (powerless), and any pleasure he/she gets was not intended by the dom. The dom is always getting pleasure (physical and/or mental).
1. Button Mash penetrating his mom
2. Button Mash getting penetrated by his mom (strap-on)
3. Button Mash getting penetrated by his mom (futa-cock)
4. Button Mash getting flogged by his mom
5. Button Mash flogging his mom
6. OC with inoffensive color scheme getting anally violated by canon characters.
7. Same as 6 but it ends badly for OC (guro)
8. Same as 7 but OC has shitty color/CM.
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And now we do get into the gray areas of quasi/even outright hypocrisy. For the sake of debate I am willing to proceed.
Button's Mom is in fact a personal favorite. Part of this is from the fact that she has a very good down to earth design and was very well written in Button's Adventures. Honestly it is very hard for me not to think of her as a canon pony as she fits all the criteria for a good BG character.
In the interest of full-disclosure I even admit to having uploaded a few Button/Button's Mom pics, breaking my own guidelines.
And here's where the waters get muddied. Button's Mom as far as I can tell was never intended to be someone's ponysona. She was created to fill a role in a narrative and became popular as a result.
Mostly OC rage comes from what at first glance appears to be fantasy fulfillment by an artist/commissioner. To me gender of said type of OC is irrelevant, just as the gender of the creator is irrelevant. It still sends the same message: MY special snowflake is fucking [insert favorite character here] and I don't give two shits that said character may be someone else's favorite too so long as MY fantasy is being met. To give it an over-simplified analogy think of it as an Internet equivalent of a breach of "The Bro Code" and then rubbing the entire fandom's face in it by posting it instead of keeping said fantasy to oneself.
Now:
01: Yes.
02: YES!
03: Fuck yes!
04: No.
05: Still no.
06: No based on specific "violated" rather than consenting. However an over-all no back to the original point of OCXCanon just being generally annoying regardless of dominance.
07-08: Fuck no on both counts. As much as I hate OCXCanon I hate character abuse even more and guro turns my stomach regardless.
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For No. 6-8 of the second questionaire, it's interesting that even if the OC was violated, you still cared for its welfare, despite objecting the pairing outright on principle.
Hopefully the last topic: What about canon ponies with crappy designs? IIRC, King Sombra and Babs Seed's designs were not well-received by the fanbase initially but in Babs' case, it seems to have mellowed out. That said, there are also background ponies with garish designs. So...
1. Prominent canon character with unconventional design (ex. Babs Seed, Trenderhoof) with other canon. Yay or nay?
2. Referring to No. 1, does personality of the character influence your approval?
3. Background canon character with unconventional design (Example) with other canon?
Thanks for your previous responses. I await your next one.
The obnoxiousness of the OC is a topic that would require perhaps hours of verbal discourse, such being perhaps inappropriate for here and now.
To the question of bad canon designs, there is definitely a personal distaste for a great number of them, but it does not evoke the same vehement response as a poorly designed OC. They're bad, even terrible at points, but generally serve a purpose in the story, however minor or silly. An OC is complete intrusion, with no real rhyme or reason to it. Most often with no regard for established rules of the universe or personalities of the characters.
But, bad design is only part of the issue, yes. Attitude bleeds through as bright as day with most OC pics, and usually those are extremely poorly received. Smug grins are equally ubiquitous and infuriating as red and black color schemes, and can turn an otherwise milquetoast 5edgy charcoal and crimson thing into a smug, self important douchepiston that offends my sensibilities far more than amateurish physiology.
For odd as it may be, among most other things, apart from enjoying their sensual potential, us fans maintain a certain amount of respect to the characters and universe. While this does not keep us from enjoying and at times contributing the the vast stores of porn of them, it generally obliges us to not cross certain lines.
An OC rapes one of the mane six, with a wide grin and no visible remorseful attributes. I am angered because rape offends my personal sensibilities, because the OC shows no empathy. I am angered because this act I find particularly distasteful is being committed by a thing which does not belong in that universe. The artist, or commissioner, as it more often happens to be, is not satisfied with defiling creatures of his own imagination, he must metastasize his cancerous fantasy into another's work. The rape of his own characters is not satisfying, he must satisfy his own ego alongside his sexual decrepitude; to have his thinly veiled avatar in domination of an established character, one that someone else created and fleshed out-a character in almost all ways, creatively and practically, is superior to his own-thus gives him and his abomination a sense of accomplishment. If his character can rape others' with no repercussions, well aint that just the biggest old power fantasy? Thus it goes.
A commissioner pays to have a number of images created with his OC exclusively with one or two characters. Within these, intimations or outright dialogue presents the OC and canon character as committed lovers, perhaps even married. This angers me because the warped codes of honor I follow regarding such things frown at attempting to claim any such character as mine and mine alone. It is basic courtesy, in the minds of myself and others, to not lay claims of ownership to those that many others particularly like. Waifus abound in this fandom, but would-be husbandos are even more prolific. We all have the basic fantasies, but understand that there are many others, and keep those largely to ourselves. In such fashion, all can have their personal fantasy, and yet none hold to any pretense of formal relationships. When an OC makes such a claim, his creator explicitly defies such courtesies, and in selfish petulance, would try to make himself the sole lover in a corporeal and visible manner. As Faptacular himself stated, it shows not only the all too common lack of respect for the character itself, but also for the fellow ponyfags that are his contemporary. A truly noxious form of arrogance.
Therefore, it is the Way the Wrath and the Wonder that I would and have gleefully imagined and depicted the mutilation and eradication of such "Original Characters" as to sufficiently rouse my ire. This begs a question of hypocrisy, that I would not honor the rights of the creator and do as I please with his mewling bastardizations. To which I only place in my own defense, such acts of raeg and bloody retribution are purely reactionary. I did not seek them out out of the blue and write four thousand words of their character's graphic disembowelment, they made a string of actions that lead to a simple reaction. By which point, I add, through utter disrespect and poor character on the part of the OC and its maker, the OC is rendered invalid as a receptor of the respect of others, and thus will have nonesuch from me.
I hardly proclaim my own innocence, I dare not. This persona you know me by is flawed, heavily-heartily-as per nature's course. I simply do what do. The same may well be said of the OC makers and their tripe, but I do make personal note that what ills I commit, you may well wager that they will have taken the first punch.
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I never really gave Babs' design much thought as I was more focused on a trope I don't like with her: The bully get's a tragic backstory and now I'm supposed to forgive what a douche they've been to characters I'm very fond and feel protective of. While I still don't like that kind of writing my ire for that has also mellowed with her second appearance.
Now as for the questions:
01-02: I think I feel almost more neutral to this and go on a case by case basis. For the most part I think in-show shipping is a terribad idea as it can destroy meta fantasies and should be avoided by the writers at all costs so (being a Rarity-is-Mai-Waifu fag) Tenderhoof was highly annoying in-show for the oxymoronic combo of how she was fangriling over him (and the way she was doing so was so OoC it was painful) but also in that he had no interest in her. And I'm fully aware intellectually of how stupid that is. In 34 or even a well-written fanfic on the other hand I'm willing to let it slide for the most part. But even in canon Trenderhoof wasn't a douche, just irritating. Characters like Prince Blueblood though have just as high a rage factor as a self-insert. So I'd say it really comes down to presentation in the end.
03: That guy so reminds me of Harpo Marx. Anyway in a one-shot picture the reaction would most likely be: Well that was random. and I wouldn't think anymore of it. At least as long as he wasn't portrayed like many OCs end up with the smug-ass grins that are triggers for many of us.
@Hierolocc: Exactly this.
Way back I remember people claiming that we were operating under a "If I can't have them no one can" mentality. This was almost ridiculously easy to shoot down as we never complained on pictures where a character was being fucked by either another canon character (so long as we didn't object to the specific character based on personality) or by something anonymous enough to not set off the Mary-sue triggers. In most cases those would be random humans, tentacles, or ponies that you couldn't see any real detail, either not fully drawn or the distinguishing features are carefully kept off-screen.
It's free art of ponies fucking. Unless the OC is literally painful to look at from a design perspective, I don't give two wet shits. I might not particularly care for the art or the subject even but so long as the OC looks like it can vaguely fit into the universe, I am fine with whatever because it's free art of pony-fucking.